An Interview With JOSEF GINSBURG by Eric Thomson
Josef Ginsburg, who wrote under the pen name of “J.G. Burg”, came to Toronto to assist Ernst Zündel’s defence effort in The Great Holocaust Trial in 1988, at which time I was able to speak to this remarkable anti-Zionist jew and to make extensive notes after each conversation. “Mr. Burg”, as he preferred to be addressed, was the author of several booklets on such favorite Zionist subjects as the so-called Holocaust, the founding of the bandit-state of Israel, the so-called “diary” of Anne Frank, German “guilt”, etc. Unfortunately, none of his works are available in English, to my knowledge and most of them appear to be out of print. I am sure the Zionists are happy about that, for my own readings of his works answered any question I might have had as to why the “Bundeszog” or Zionist Occupation Government of Germany and their jewish masters were attempting to surround “J.G. Burg” with a wall of silence. Zionist thugs had even attacked him in a cemetery where he was visiting the grave of a lady friend who had perished in a fire which “Burg” insisted had been set by the Zionists. Josef Ginsburg, who no longer needs the threadbare cover of his pen name, now that he is dead, probably put up a good fight, despite his years. He was a short, tough, wiry, agile and keenly alert man, with penetrating gaze and hawk-like features. His sharp eyes and almost haughty demeanor seemed to challenge all whom he met, as if to say: “You, there! How do you serve or thwart my purpose?” Being a jew, he often involved himself in confusing circular and/or corkscrew reasoning of the sort exemplified by Franz Kafka’s stories. When his guard was up, as it usually was, he would only answer a question with a question: “Is your name Josef Ginsburg?” “Why do you ask me that?”
Certainly, I would have received nothing but questions in answer to my questions, had I told him that I was treating our conversations as an interview and that I was secretly making notes of his statements. For anyone who did interview him, with his knowledge, it was a struggle all the way. Whenever there were witnesses, cameras, microphones and/or tape recorders in evidence, he would become very cagey and evasive. He insisted that no one take any pictures of him and he actually made a videotaped interview in which only the face of the interviewer ever appeared on camera! After this “night and fog” appearance, he demanded and received the interviewer’s promise that the interview would not be released or shown to anyone before his death. Although I did not tell him that I was taking notes, I respected Mr. Ginsburg’s wishes also in this regard.
Josef Ginsburg was exasperating, for he was an eyewitness to history, specifically the Zionist-National Socialist collaboration which Zionists have always exerted themselves so mightily to cover up. Yet, he would not reveal publicly how he had learned the truth about the Holohoax and the gas chamber lie. He would even quibble about his own identity and the political connections which caused him to be among the first Soviet inspectors of all the so-called death camps in Poland. Privately, he made no attempt to hide his Communist connections and sympathies. Yes, he had toured the concentration camps of Auschwitz, Birkenau, Maidanek, Treblinka, Sobibor and all the others in Poland, as a member of the official Soviet inspection team and he found no evidence whatsoever of any attempt on the part of the Germans to exterminate anyone and certainly not by means of lethal gas chambers! But by refusing to admit this in any public interview, his statements debunking the Holocaust legend were largely dismissed by journalists as ‘unauthoritative opinion’, which went unreported. That gave these prostitutes of the pen an ‘easy out’, for they were already being paid to believe in the Holohoax. If Ginsburg had been more open to them, he could have at least raised some doubts in their own minds, regardless of the rubbish their editors deemed ‘fit to print’.
I told him that he should tell them that he was a Communist and a member of the Soviet inspection team (“our gallant Soviet allies”), for in Soviet Canuckistan, alias Canada, that would be tantamount to sainthood. The word of a Communist jew “simply must be true” and the only rebuttal available to the Zionist Holocaustorians would be (a) to prove that he was not a Communist or (b) not a jew. But Josef Ginsburg would not go all out, as he saw it, to set the historical record straight. To this day it is a mystery to me why he wanted to ‘pull his punches’ or “hide his candle under a bushel”, as the jew-book says. Perhaps he feared for his life, although he and his work were no secret whatsoever to the Zionists and their German Occupation Government stooges, for he lived in Germany and could be contacted through a small publishing firm there. Maybe he thought they could not locate him if he concealed his real name and background. He behaved as if he feared to compromise his ‘security’, no matter how illusory that security appeared to me and others.
Josef Ginsburg’s motive for attacking Zionism by stating historical truth was indeed very jewish: he feared that jews were endangering their survival by putting all their political eggs into the Zionist basket. He saw in Communism, as his fellow jews had seen in Christianity and Capitalism, a protective cloak of universalism in which the body of jewish tribalism would thrive, much like certain maggots thrive beneath the protective skin of a living host, as they feed off the host’s blood, I opined, for the similarity was obvious. Ginsburg saw the Zionist drive to particularize jewish, as opposed to Gentile, interests as extremely dangerous. I certainly agreed with him on this point and I asked him why the Rothschilds, the International Zionists par excellence, had funded Theodor Herzl’s Territorial Zionist efforts, which, if successful, would serve to identify, separate and isolate the jewish population from the rest of the world.
“The Rothschilds had to do it,” said Ginsburg, “because it is so ordered in their family compact.”
I asked him what he meant by that, thinking of A. Conan Doyle’s “The Musgrave Ritual”.
“Each heir to the Rothschild fortune must read the compact and agree to fulfil its provisions, to the best of his ability, during his lifetime,” he said. “There is no argument with the terms of the compact, regardless of any perception of danger or undesirability on the part of the heir. The family compact has the force of law.”
“But,” I said, “the state of Israel is very much a danger to the interests of world Jewry.”
“I agree with you,” said Ginsburg. “The Rothschilds may also agree with you, but they must carry out the orders which have been in effect for many centuries. They have no recourse.”
Although jews have not only survived, but thrived, prospered and conned their way to conquest via such fallacious ‘universal creeds’ as Christianity and Capitalism, Ginsburg was convinced that ‘Communism was the only way to go’.
I mentioned Jabotinski’s group, from which came the founders of Israel, as being a bunch of Communist-Zionists.
“That is a contradiction in terms,” he said, “for true Communism is internationalist and all-inclusive. It cannot be nationalist and therefore exclusive. That is why I call the Territorial Zionists who founded the state of Israel ‘Zionazis’ and that is why people like Ben Gurion, Levi Skolnick, alias Eshkol and Golda Meyersohn, alias Meir, got along so well with the German Nazis, especially after their little Kristallnacht show which they deemed necessary to scare their fellow jews out of Germany, hopefully to settle in Palestine.”
“You bring up this recurrent theme of German Nazi-Zionazi collaboration,” I said. “This is a fairly new concept to me.”
“And rightly so,” he said, “for that is just the way the Zionazis who control the media want their collaboration to be: secret. Eichmann was one of their weak links. That’s why they had to kidnap him from Argentina and murder him in Israel. They locked him in a glass box in the courtroom, supposedly for his protection, but really to keep him from hearing the real questions and giving real answers. Eichmann was a fool. He did not even know that he had a dangerous secret, for he had done nothing wrong. He should have kept his mouth shut and gone into hiding when he heard about the Zionazis’ murder of his jewish counterpart, Joel Brandt, in Israel.”
“So, innocence can be deadly,” I said.
“Yes,” he agreed, “the guilty know why they should cover their tracks and they know how to do it.”
“He worked with Joel Brandt and others to smuggle jews out of Europe and into Palestine, against the wishes of the British who governed the territory under a mandate.”
“Would Eichmann have known about the Ha’arev or Transfer Agreement which allowed jews emigrating from Germany to take their wealth with them in the form of German-made goods?” I asked.
“Another reason for his judicial murder,” said Ginsburg.
“You mentioned earlier that the Zionists and the Nazis collaborated on the drafting of the so-called Nuremberg Race Laws,” I said.
“Yes,” he said, “one of the Zionist collaborators was Rabbi Leo Baeck, who now lives in London, England.”
“What did Baeck do?” I asked.
“He helped the Nazis define who was a jew and who was a German and he suggested the adoption of the yellow, six-pointed star as the symbol of the jewish nation.”
“You mean that this symbol was not previously used to signify judaism?” I asked.
“Oh, it was a jewish symbol, just as it was a Babylonian symbol. The six-pointed star was used by many different people. The German Condor Legion used it as a badge of rank in Spain during the Fascist War from 1936 to 1939. Your American police often use the six-pointed star. But as late as the 1930s, “The Lion of Judah” was used to symbolize jewish nationality.
You may remember the British newspaper story which appeared in March, 1933, headlined “Judea Declares War on Germany.”
“Yes,” I said.
“Well, the article carried a frieze-like strip of lions and swastikas across the front page which symbolized ‘Germans versus jews’. No six-pointed stars!” he exclaimed.
“I remember the article,” I said. “Samuel Untermeyer of the World Jewish Congress declared a boycott of all German goods. Did this mean that there was a conflict between the Territorial Zionists and the International Zionists?”
“No,” he said. “The Zionists were only making sure that German foreign trade would remain under their control, as they had done with Germany in World War I. They made the blockade and broke it themselves. No one else was allowed to do that, so it was really a Zionist monopoly of German trade.”
“What, in your opinion, was the reason for the Zionist ‘declaration of war’ on Germany in 1933, only a month after Hitler’s election as Chancellor?” I asked.
“The Zionists (and all other jews, I thought) never do anything for only one reason,” he said. “Their declaration of war was given with at least a twofold purpose. One reason was their hatred of Hitler’s economic program and his intention of nationalizing the Bank of Germany, which was owned by the Rothschilds, as are all so-called national banks today.”
“So you agree that the Rothschilds and their bankster stooges control the creation of money for the entire world,” I said.
“What would be another reason for the Zionists’ declaration of war on Germany?” I asked.
“To conceal their collaboration with the Nazis,” he said.
“What were some major points of Nazi-Zionist collaboration?” I asked.
“First, was the creation of a Zionist state in German-controlled territory. Second, was the German Government’s assistance for jews to leave Germany, preferably to enter Palestine illegally. Third, was Zionist assistance in supplying Germany with foreign exchange and goods, even during World War II.” he said.
“But why would the Zionists support Germany, when they wanted the Allies to win?” I asked.
“The Zionists did not help Germany sufficiently to win the war, but only to make a profit and maintain their influence with the Germans,” he said. “Zionazi Ben Gurion bragged that he was fighting London and Berlin.”
“You said that the Germans helped the Zionists to build a state within German-controlled territory,” I said.
“Yes,” said Ginsburg. “Zionists were given such jurisdiction in transit/training camps like Theresienstadt and they also established autonomous zones in parts of occupied Poland and Russia, as well as ruling over the ghettos of Polish cities like Warsaw, Lublin and Crakow.”
“Is it true,” I asked, “that the Germans taught jews such trades as carpentry, bricklaying, machine tooling, plumbing, farming, animal husbandry, auto mechanics, etc.?”
“Yes,” he said, “they did. The Germans also helped the Zionists to have their own money, banks, postage stamps, post offices and police, all of which were recognized by the German authorities.”
“It is so different from the Hollywood version of German-jewish relations which the Zionists want us to believe,” I said. “Was there, in your experience, sufficient jewish suffering during World War II to call it a ‘holocaust’?” I asked.
“Oh, there was jewish suffering,” he said, “but nothing to compare with German suffering!”
“Was jewish suffering due to German policies?” I asked.
“Indirectly,” he said. “The jews suffered most under the Zionists, especially in the ghettos and the autonomous areas. A jew could be thankful if he were in a German camp like Auschwitz, for at least he would be fed as long as supplies lasted and he would receive medical treatment.”
“What was going on in the Zionist-ruled districts that caused jewish suffering?” I asked.
“It was a catastrophe!” he said. “The Zionist administration was so criminal and corrupt that essential supplies, such as food, clothing and medicines wound up in the hands of black marketeers and speculators. There were shocking scenes of jewish children begging and starving outside jewish restaurants, while fat jewish diners looked out at them with indifference and jewish policemen strolled by, unconcerned!”
“That was even worse!” he declared. “True, there was farmland and woodland, tools, implements and simple housing, wells and streams, but rich jews who had previously relied upon Gentile laborers and servants could not fend for themselves. Once again, jewish criminals stole the German food supplies, so even the rich jews suffered and died under Zionist misgovernment.”
“In regard to hoarding, speculating and black marketeering, you had mentioned Simon Wiesenthal,” I said.
“Yes,” he said. “The Gestapo had a department called the Stachel (barb), composed of jewish agents who spied on fellow jews who were hoarding and black marketeering. The agent received a reward in the form of a percentage of the value of any contraband he discovered. Wiesenthal was such an agent.”
JOSEF GINSBURG on how to make a jew tell the truth:
Jew-wise Gentiles know about the “jews’ oath” or Kol Nidre prayer, which all devout jews say every year to absolve them from telling the truth in the year to come. But there is a way to make a religious jew tell the truth, according to Josef Ginsburg, who was himself the son of an orthodox rabbi.
“First, all Christian symbols must be cleared from the room. Then, a Hebrew bible and a rabbi must be present. The jew must don a skull cap and take a rabbinical oath which nullifies the Kol Nidre anti-oath oath.” After this procedure, Josef Ginsburg claimed that “99.5% of all the sick holocaust stories would become truthful silence!” Jews are not otherwise bound to tell the truth, because their courtroom oath (as well as their pledge of allegiance) is deemed by them to be of no account, whatsoever!